What did you guys realize later in life?

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  • For me it’s that most people are just kind of improvising in life.

    When I first heard someone say that it made sense but as time goes on, that sentence begins to mean a lot more.

    People are really just trying without really knowing as much as you think they do.

  • That’s like a glorified version of what I believe. And that is this: later in life I’ve realized, and to no disrespect to anyone here, that most people truly don’t know shit. I’m 41, I’ve lived all around the world, and it’s been proven to me time and again. With that, I trust very few people.

  • Most people are basically as useless as random NPCs in a video game. They do the same thing every day of their life, talk about the same topics constantly (Most even tell the same story numerous times), don’t understand why they have the religious/social/political views they have (they flip out when challenged, too; Glitch in programming?), never move forward in any way, basically they just exist and that’s all. A handful of people are seemingly worthwhile in the world but the vast majority could die tomorrow and nothing of value would be lost whatsoever. Very few people from the grand total of around 8 billion on the planet have any meaningful contribution to anything in a STEM field and while many more than this believe they have good contributions to the arts (in any form) they are sadly mistaken (See: “Modern Art”).

    I’m honestly not a pompous, narcissistic prick at all and I try to give everyone the best side of me but I don’t genuinely believe many of them have any value.

    when I was a kid I thought everyone was special and blah blah blah which has turned out to be so fucking far from the truth. I’m a happy person though despite the bleak opinion I have of most people.

  • That’s a really good topic and I guess it depends on where you are in life that would determine your answer. I’m an older guy. What have I learned? To be more compassionate. It’s taken a long time for me to learn that I have to let people be who they are, where they are in that stage of life. I’ve learned to be more open minded about things, that I don’t know everything, and I don’t have all of the answers. That saying about, " You never know what battles people are fighting" is true. You never know what people are going through that can make them behave in a certain way. Divorce, drug addiction, suffering from type of abuse, etc etc etc… I guess now in my life, I try to understand a little more, and be understood a little less… Treating someone with kindness is never a bad thing

  • As an Atheist, Anarchist, Antinatalist.

    Most people don’t know what they’re doing because they don’t go back to the source. They start further upstream and don’t realize where the stream begins and how they arrived at where they are in life.

    Stripping everything down to its most fundamental component, realizing that we give great importance to a collection of these things and never really focus on the individual components, gives rise to all sorts of delusional thinking. It allows people to be manipulated with propaganda, religion, civics, nationalism, elitism, classism, mindless respect for authority. Eventually people are completely taken over and don’t even know what or why they do what they do.

    Those that do question everything aren’t gonna last long unless they serve some utility for society. Questioning isn’t allowed in this country, you question, you lose your job, family and eventually your freedom and maybe even your life.
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    [quote=“Truckertrash” pid=‘81785’ dateline=‘1581599539’]
    Treating someone with kindness is never a bad thing
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    And yet that isn’t happening to any of us.

    70% of people hate their job, work or school has long been a toxic environment. Families are made up of people that fight and argue endless over completely pointless stuff.

    Much of life is an exercise in humiliation, a series of hierarchies where each level becomes colder and crueler.

    Suicide, narcotic addiction, mental illness is largely the response to the warped society we live in.

    We don’t even think that there could be a better way, sadism is pounded into Americans heads and the government collects tax revenue from this abuse. We cheer those that work themselves into a hole, grinding it out and are freaked out by someone that wised up and stepped off the train to wave society goodbye.

  • [quote=“Dexter” pid=‘81789’ dateline=‘1581604360’]
    sadism is pounded into Americans heads and the government collects tax revenue from this abuse.
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    I wish all Americans could take a vacation to a decent EU country to realize there’s a world out there that isn’t complete trash and misery and abuse. Life can be good even for the lower classes. Good healthcare, social services, public transportation, holidays, workers rights, democracy etc. - the empty promises of the US are reality elsewhere

  • [quote=“appropionate” pid=‘81804’ dateline=‘1581616284’]

    I wish all Americans could take a vacation to a decent EU country to realize there’s a world out there that isn’t complete trash and misery and abuse. Life can be good even for the lower classes. Good healthcare, social services, public transportation, holidays, workers rights, democracy etc. - the empty promises of the US are reality elsewhere
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    Most people when they visit Europe aren’t impressed because of the scaled down lifestyle, they live in small homes, drive small cars, ride bicycles or public transportation. The slower way of life means less coast to coast shopping and fast food. So they are let down by the experience.

    Once a human has secured shelter, food, clean water, clothing, tools, some educational material, they don’t need much else.

    This is why I don’t think government can solve these problems, it’s really for a society to decide that they don’t want to work 40-80hrs a week anymore, they don’t want to pay off debt for the rest of their lives. They want balance, they want efficiency, they don’t want to stand around doing nothing for hours everyday just putting in their time, they want to get their work done quick and then get on with the rest of their day doing what they enjoy…hopefully something that doesn’t cost money.

    It’s not in the governments interest to have people working less, tax revenue, entitlements would take a drastic hit. The military spending would have to drastically reduce to the levels it once was back in the early 1900’s. Around 1920 was the last time this country had free thinking people, many of the writings of these folk heros that questioned working like slaves and dying in stupid wars were put in prison and ever since people have been scared to speak out, not so much by fear of the government, but a society that looks upon this act as treason. There are no more Eugene Debs types running around in this country anymore.

  • [quote=“appropionate” pid=‘81804’ dateline=‘1581616284’]
    [quote=“Dexter” pid=‘81789’ dateline=‘1581604360’]
    sadism is pounded into Americans heads and the government collects tax revenue from this abuse.
    [/quote]
    I wish all Americans could take a vacation to a decent EU country to realize there’s a world out there that isn’t complete trash and misery and abuse. Life can be good even for the lower classes. Good healthcare, social services, public transportation, holidays, workers rights, democracy etc. - the empty promises of the US are reality elsewhere
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    Don’t you also hail from Germany? I don’t see that much difference from our place compared to the states, besides higher taxes, and compulsory health insurance, since I am self-employed I have to use private health insurance, not that cheap either, around 350 Euros each month. Rent is high if you are lucky to find a flat. Wages suck ass for workers (reason why I opened my own biz).And the “refugee” crisis hasn’t even started yet, it will get worse once Erdogan goes full banana. Yeah, I have a rather grim view of our future tbf.

    I have been working in the UK for a couple of months, and didn’t like the place either. Germans still are not that welcome over there, meh. And the food is awful, like the weather.

    But France is different. I have been in Nice for a year, and it was really nice - long before the migrants were storming the beaches though lol, was back in 2006. Fine weather, fine people (as long as you can parles francais), excellent cuisine, everything was really affordable, had a nice flat for cheap, food is dirt cheap but high quality, etc. No fatsos whatsoever, the beach was packed though.

    If I could leave for leave for greener pastures, I’d go SE Asia, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines etc, but the places are slowly hardening their immigration policies, and normal poor joe schmoe’s like ain’t welcome (understandable).

    SO yeah, in later Life I realized how much it basically sucks ;)

  • [quote=“juicyfatpowerlifter” pid=‘81850’]
    Don’t you also hail from Germany? I don’t see that much difference from our place compared to the states, besides higher taxes, and compulsory health insurance, since I am self-employed I have to use private health insurance, not that cheap either, around 350 Euros each month. Rent is high if you are lucky to find a flat. Wages suck ass for workers (reason why I opened my own biz).And the “refugee” crisis hasn’t even started yet, it will get worse once Erdogan goes full banana. Yeah, I have a rather grim view of our future tbf.
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    I think you’re doing Germany wrong. I’m self-employed as well, which is a bit shitty due to the high taxes and health insurance, but for the general population:

    the unemployed get rent and health insurance + some furniture paid + 400€ in cash a month or so - you basically cannot be homeless here if you don’t reject their help completely.

    students pay nothing to attend university, get

  • [quote=“appropionate” pid=‘81874’ dateline=‘1581712458’]

    the unemployed get rent and health insurance + some furniture paid + 400€ in cash a month or so - you basically cannot be homeless here if you don’t reject their help completely.

    students pay nothing to attend university, get

  • I’ve come to realize a life I do want for myself in my late 20’s. I will never in my life slave in 4 walls for someone else. In the age of the internet, I want to make my money location independent with a life I choose to live. Hours of my life every week commuting cooking, cleaning other duties. What time is left for myself after I spend my day working for someone else’s dream when they’re making all the money? I just can’t do it and it is no way to live life. I want freedom, how is it even semi possible in a police driven state. I also realized how shitty a lot of western women are and the effects of being liberated by western feminism.

  • [quote=“dexes” pid=‘81896’ dateline=‘1581723576’]
    I’ve come to realize a life I do want for myself in my late 20’s. I will never in my life slave in 4 walls for someone else.
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    Those that choose to take a different path from the norm are either really smart or deviants.

    People in America are scared of deviants or those that question status quo of working 40-80hrs a week. Work is a religion, but that’s not really the point, it’s the sadism they worship. I wiped out and broke bones, but I got back up and did that fu*kin job I hate because I’m dedicated damn-it and I didn’t want to look like a pussy.

    It’s all very silly and what’s really scary is when you see it for what it really is, it can lead down a dark road, one where you aren’t playing well with others.

    Lets strip people of all their myths, ego, idols, spiritual beliefs, symbols, medals, awards, everything that builds up a person and gives them a false identity. Once that’s gone, you’re stuck with the cold hard reality that this shit sucks and there’s nothing you can do about it. Many people look outside themselves for the cause of their problems, so they go off fighting for political change or perhaps some other radical change, always on the look out for the cause of their problems, never realizing that we all cause our own problems because we lack the courage to live the way we want, regardless of the disastrous consequences, and make no mistake if you truly lived the way you really wanted, you would be scorned by the those living in the USofA, because it terrifies them that someone could actually turn their back on socially accepted norms.

  • [quote=“appropionate” pid=‘81874’ dateline=‘1581712458’]
    [quote=“juicyfatpowerlifter” pid=‘81850’]
    Don’t you also hail from Germany? I don’t see that much difference from our place compared to the states, besides higher taxes, and compulsory health insurance, since I am self-employed I have to use private health insurance, not that cheap either, around 350 Euros each month. Rent is high if you are lucky to find a flat. Wages suck ass for workers (reason why I opened my own biz).And the “refugee” crisis hasn’t even started yet, it will get worse once Erdogan goes full banana. Yeah, I have a rather grim view of our future tbf.
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    I think you’re doing Germany wrong. I’m self-employed as well, which is a bit shitty due to the high taxes and health insurance, but for the general population:

    the unemployed get rent and health insurance + some furniture paid + 400€ in cash a month or so - you basically cannot be homeless here if you don’t reject their help completely.

    students pay nothing to attend university, get

  • [quote=“juicyfatpowerlifter” pid=‘81916’
    Yeah, and all those perks get funded by the taxes I have to pay, and like I said, that’s 40% for me. Germany may be a cool place for freeloaders, but for guys actually working and earning money it sucks. I’m working on my exit, but it still is many years down the road, 5-10 would be a realistic guess.
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    even after taxes, any decent job will net you ~20€/hour (check how much even ALDI pays) so I’m not sure you’d actually have a higher income/spending power in other countries after costs of living etc.

    even as a personal trainer, which requires no qualifications, you can charge 80-120€ per hour, which is decent even after 40% taxes, but YMMV

  • [quote=“juicyfatpowerlifter” pid=‘81916’ dateline=‘1581757169’]

    Yeah, and all those perks get funded by the taxes I have to pay, and like I said, that’s 40% for me. Germany may be a cool place for freeloaders, but for guys actually working and earning money it sucks. I’m working on my exit, but it still is many years down the road, 5-10 would be a realistic guess.
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    The average person will spend

  • [quote=“Dexter” pid=‘81897’ dateline=‘1581725006’]
    [quote=“dexes” pid=‘81896’ dateline=‘1581723576’]
    I’ve come to realize a life I do want for myself in my late 20’s. I will never in my life slave in 4 walls for someone else.
    [/quote]

    Those that choose to take a different path from the norm are either really smart or deviants.

    People in America are scared of deviants or those that question status quo of working 40-80hrs a week. Work is a religion, but that’s not really the point, it’s the sadism they worship. I wiped out and broke bones, but I got back up and did that fu*kin job I hate because I’m dedicated damn-it and I didn’t want to look like a pussy.

    It’s all very silly and what’s really scary is when you see it for what it really is, it can lead down a dark road, one where you aren’t playing well with others.

    Lets strip people of all their myths, ego, idols, spiritual beliefs, symbols, medals, awards, everything that builds up a person and gives them a false identity. Once that’s gone, you’re stuck with the cold hard reality that this shit sucks and there’s nothing you can do about it. Many people look outside themselves for the cause of their problems, so they go off fighting for political change or perhaps some other radical change, always on the look out for the cause of their problems, never realizing that we all cause our own problems because we lack the courage to live the way we want, regardless of the disastrous consequences, and make no mistake if you truly lived the way you really wanted, you would be scorned by the those living in the USofA, because it terrifies them that someone could actually turn their back on socially accepted norms.
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    Man you hit the nail on the head right there. My father who is an incredibly hard worker couldn’t grasp what I’m doing, how I make money and leading a life far from the norm. Other people don’t understand, if I’m not in a building how do I provide. If I’m not in the good ole’ USofA how do I run a business?! It flabergasts the norm of society and a few are living a life of freedom and the ability to have a choice. I’ll take freedom any day.
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    [quote=“appropionate” pid=‘81919’ dateline=‘1581765448’]
    [quote=“juicyfatpowerlifter” pid=‘81916’
    Yeah, and all those perks get funded by the taxes I have to pay, and like I said, that’s 40% for me. Germany may be a cool place for freeloaders, but for guys actually working and earning money it sucks. I’m working on my exit, but it still is many years down the road, 5-10 would be a realistic guess.
    [/quote]

    even after taxes, any decent job will net you ~20€/hour (check how much even ALDI pays) so I’m not sure you’d actually have a higher income/spending power in other countries after costs of living etc.

    even as a personal trainer, which requires no qualifications, you can charge 80-120€ per hour, which is decent even after 40% taxes, but YMMV
    [/quote]

    The worst taxes I’ve heard of is in Netherlands. It’s something like 50-52% on the high end. Here I believe the highest rate in USA is 39.2%. Regardless, our wages are taxed, our income is taxed, our property is taxed after paying tax buying a property. Then we pay sales tax on everything. I believe there is 2 states with an annual car tax. Oh, then we die… taxed.

  • [quote=“dexes” pid=‘81930’ dateline=‘1581786964’]
    Regardless, our wages are taxed, our income is taxed, our property is taxed after paying tax buying a property. Then we pay sales tax on everything. I believe there is 2 states with an annual car tax. Oh, then we die… taxed.
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    All you need out of a government if you really want one is national defense(drastically scaled down in our case) and perhaps some basic infrastructure and repair. As long as your shelter, water and food is secure you can go about doing what you want with your day.

    We have the technology to drastically shorten our work week.

    The government doesn’t want this, the police state fears a society with free time.

    If someone has access to say half a million with investments that pay them enough to live on and they walk away from the work world. The people in this country can’t wrap their head around this. They’ll ask you what you do, when you explain you have plenty of money, pay your own bills, they can’t comprehend that someone wouldn’t want to waste 10hrs of their day working in a building hanging around a bunch of a assholes eating up your valuable time.

    When I watch people at work, most of it isn’t even productive, it’s just putting in their time and waiting until they can leave. By any other definition this is nothing more than a half-way house for someone that hasn’t done anything wrong and we voluntarily let this happen to us, those that question it are considered dangerous and in need of counseling. You’re not considered a well balanced person unless you unzip your pants, lube up and bend over to let your overlords take turns sodomizing you as they laugh and high five each other.

    Like I said before, from early childhood to death, this country is based on sadism and humiliation, probably why the suicide rates are climbing year after year and kids are the ones checking out, they know it’s hopeless, they figure why go through decades of bullshit.

  • [quote=“dexes” pid=‘81930’ dateline=‘1581786964’]
    The worst taxes I’ve heard of is in Netherlands. It’s something like 50-52% on the high end. Here I believe the highest rate in USA is 39.2%.
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    percentages without income/hourly wage before taxes is rather meaningless - I’ve certainly never heard of anyone having to work more than one job here in Germany to support themselves, and while it’s no longer possible to support a big family on a single full time income, 1.5 incomes usually suffice and there’s no need for two 2 full time incomes as you get a lot of child support from the state until the child is 23-25 years of age.

    if your hourly wage for working at aldi is still ~20usd after taxes here, who cares if the tax percentage is 20% or 80%

  • [quote=“appropionate” pid=‘81942’ dateline=‘1581802170’]

    if your hourly wage for working at aldi is still ~20usd after taxes here, who cares if the tax percentage is 20% or 80%
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    Can you imagine the bore and mind numb working at Aldi’s.

    90,000 hours working at aldis…think about that, wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

  • [quote=“Dexter” pid=‘81959’ dateline=‘1581820928’]
    [quote=“appropionate” pid=‘81942’ dateline=‘1581802170’]

    if your hourly wage for working at aldi is still ~20usd after taxes here, who cares if the tax percentage is 20% or 80%
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    Can you imagine the bore and mind numb working at Aldi’s.

    90,000 hours working at aldis…think about that, wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.
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    and then imagine working at a competitor that only pays minimum wage, I think about this regularly while grocery shopping and it would drive me into a deep depression. couldn’t handle it - this is definitely a job humans should be freed from via automation.

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