How much test?

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  • Hey Guys,

    I am finalizing a bulk for myself and a buddy and wanted to get some input from you guys on how much Test E would provide the best bulk without having to deal too much with crazy aromatization or side effects. I know everyone is a little different so I am looking for personal experiences to help guide me.

    After Spartapharma had a sale a few months back, we have enough Test E to go up to 1 gram a week for the 12 weeks planned, so that is the absolute upper limit, ;)

    I am mid - 40s, 5’6", 170-175 lbs training 5 days per week bro splits at a bodyfat between 12-15%.

    I don’t want to make this post too long winded but the bulk will be:

    Test E - 750 mg/week is what I am planning but asking opinions on
    Anadrol kickstart - 6 weeks 50 mg/day
    Anavar finish - 6 weeks 50 mg/day
    Cialis - 5mg/day
    (Asin, Nolvadex on hand)

    Any feedback is welcome, I want to know I am going into this as well planned and thought out as I can. If you want more info. I have everything, I just didn’t want to write a novel.

    Thanks for reading!

  • [quote=“jaacyn71” pid=‘65243’ dateline=‘1565992957’]
    Hey Guys,

    I am finalizing a bulk for myself and a buddy and wanted to get some input from you guys on how much Test E would provide the best bulk without having to deal too much with crazy aromatization or side effects. I know everyone is a little different so I am looking for personal experiences to help guide me.

    After Spartapharma had a sale a few months back, we have enough Test E to go up to 1 gram a week for the 12 weeks planned, so that is the absolute upper limit, ;)

    I am mid - 40s, 5’6", 170-175 lbs training 5 days per week bro splits at a bodyfat between 12-15%.

    I don’t want to make this post too long winded but the bulk will be:

    Test E - 750 mg/week is what I am planning but asking opinions on
    Anadrol kickstart - 6 weeks 50 mg/day
    Anavar finish - 6 weeks 50 mg/day
    Cialis - 5mg/day
    (Asin, Nolvadex on hand)

    Any feedback is welcome, I want to know I am going into this as well planned and thought out as I can. If you want more info. I have everything, I just didn’t want to write a novel.

    Thanks for reading!
    [/quote]

    Hey man! I guess I’ll just start off with a question before I can give any input, is this your first cycle?

  • [quote=“thallandchill” pid=‘65246’ dateline=‘1565993597’]
    [quote=“jaacyn71” pid=‘65243’ dateline=‘1565992957’]
    Hey Guys,

    I am finalizing a bulk for myself and a buddy and wanted to get some input from you guys on how much Test E would provide the best bulk without having to deal too much with crazy aromatization or side effects. I know everyone is a little different so I am looking for personal experiences to help guide me.

    After Spartapharma had a sale a few months back, we have enough Test E to go up to 1 gram a week for the 12 weeks planned, so that is the absolute upper limit, ;)

    I am mid - 40s, 5’6", 170-175 lbs training 5 days per week bro splits at a bodyfat between 12-15%.

    I don’t want to make this post too long winded but the bulk will be:

    Test E - 750 mg/week is what I am planning but asking opinions on
    Anadrol kickstart - 6 weeks 50 mg/day
    Anavar finish - 6 weeks 50 mg/day
    Cialis - 5mg/day
    (Asin, Nolvadex on hand)

    Any feedback is welcome, I want to know I am going into this as well planned and thought out as I can. If you want more info. I have everything, I just didn’t want to write a novel.

    Thanks for reading!
    [/quote]

    Hey man! I guess I’ll just start off with a question before I can give any input, is this your first cycle?
    [/quote]

    This will be my 3rd cycle ever (last two were a long time ago, late twenties, early 30s, oral only dbol first cycle, then a test C only 2nd cycle) Some sarms in the last couple of years.

  • [quote=“jaacyn71” pid=‘65247’ dateline=‘1565994321’]
    [quote=“thallandchill” pid=‘65246’ dateline=‘1565993597’]
    [quote=“jaacyn71” pid=‘65243’ dateline=‘1565992957’]
    Hey Guys,

    I am finalizing a bulk for myself and a buddy and wanted to get some input from you guys on how much Test E would provide the best bulk without having to deal too much with crazy aromatization or side effects. I know everyone is a little different so I am looking for personal experiences to help guide me.

    After Spartapharma had a sale a few months back, we have enough Test E to go up to 1 gram a week for the 12 weeks planned, so that is the absolute upper limit, ;)

    I am mid - 40s, 5’6", 170-175 lbs training 5 days per week bro splits at a bodyfat between 12-15%.

    I don’t want to make this post too long winded but the bulk will be:

    Test E - 750 mg/week is what I am planning but asking opinions on
    Anadrol kickstart - 6 weeks 50 mg/day
    Anavar finish - 6 weeks 50 mg/day
    Cialis - 5mg/day
    (Asin, Nolvadex on hand)

    Any feedback is welcome, I want to know I am going into this as well planned and thought out as I can. If you want more info. I have everything, I just didn’t want to write a novel.

    Thanks for reading!
    [/quote]

    Hey man! I guess I’ll just start off with a question before I can give any input, is this your first cycle?
    [/quote]

    This will be my 3rd cycle ever (last two were a long time ago, late twenties, early 30s, oral only dbol first cycle, then a test C only 2nd cycle) Some sarms in the last couple of years.
    [/quote]

    Oral only huh? What about your buddy? He have any past cycles under his belt?

    Sorry I’m just trying to get more information. One thing I’ll go ahead and point out is that I wouldnt run am oral all 12 weeks, and I wouldn’t run Anadrol longer than 4 for your first time with it. It’s pretty hard on your liver. Anavar isnt as hard on your liver but will trash your lipids. Choose one or the other imo. Anadrol will do more for a bulk than anavar will in my experience.

  • [quote=“thallandchill” pid=‘65249’ dateline=‘1565996934’]
    [quote=“jaacyn71” pid=‘65247’ dateline=‘1565994321’]
    [quote=“thallandchill” pid=‘65246’ dateline=‘1565993597’]
    [quote=“jaacyn71” pid=‘65243’ dateline=‘1565992957’]
    Hey Guys,

    I am finalizing a bulk for myself and a buddy and wanted to get some input from you guys on how much Test E would provide the best bulk without having to deal too much with crazy aromatization or side effects. I know everyone is a little different so I am looking for personal experiences to help guide me.

    After Spartapharma had a sale a few months back, we have enough Test E to go up to 1 gram a week for the 12 weeks planned, so that is the absolute upper limit, ;)

    I am mid - 40s, 5’6", 170-175 lbs training 5 days per week bro splits at a bodyfat between 12-15%.

    I don’t want to make this post too long winded but the bulk will be:

    Test E - 750 mg/week is what I am planning but asking opinions on
    Anadrol kickstart - 6 weeks 50 mg/day
    Anavar finish - 6 weeks 50 mg/day
    Cialis - 5mg/day
    (Asin, Nolvadex on hand)

    Any feedback is welcome, I want to know I am going into this as well planned and thought out as I can. If you want more info. I have everything, I just didn’t want to write a novel.

    Thanks for reading!
    [/quote]

    Hey man! I guess I’ll just start off with a question before I can give any input, is this your first cycle?
    [/quote]

    This will be my 3rd cycle ever (last two were a long time ago, late twenties, early 30s, oral only dbol first cycle, then a test C only 2nd cycle) Some sarms in the last couple of years.
    [/quote]

    Oral only huh? What about your buddy? He have any past cycles under his belt?

    Sorry I’m just trying to get more information. One thing I’ll go ahead and point out is that I wouldnt run am oral all 12 weeks, and I wouldn’t run Anadrol longer than 4 for your first time with it. It’s pretty hard on your liver. Anavar isnt as hard on your liver but will trash your lipids. Choose one or the other imo. Anadrol will do more for a bulk than anavar will in my experience.
    [/quote]

    No problem, thanks for the replies. It has been a while and I am not sure how my body will respond being older, which is why I am asking. My buddy has the same cycle experience, but he has been a lazy ass for the past decade or so, just recently joining me in the gym, so it is going to be up to me to make sure he stays as healthy as possible and doesn’t trash joints, tendons and ligaments, im not sure how ready for moving heavier weights he is.

    Yea, the oral only, I can only plead ignorance, it was before the internet and knowledge became so widely available. It was word of mouth from my “guy” which usually meant whatever he had available was the best thing since sliced bread.

    Here is the plan in a better format so you can maybe get a gist of what I was thinking and help me fine tune it.

    1-12 Test E 750mg/week (M/Th or Su/W)
    1 - 6 Anadrol 50mg/day (GET BIG and STRONG)
    3 - 12 Aromasin 12 mg (24-48 hours post each injection, adjust up/down as necessary)
    9 -14 Anavar 50 mg/day (Clean up the gains a bit)
    15-18 - PCT (Have clomid, nolva)
    (Dbol to be substituted in if one or both of us respond poorly to Anadrol)
    5 mg cialis throughout

    I will take your advice to heart and see how I am feeling at the 4 week mark for anadrol and dropping the anavar is no problem, it was mostly to maybe eke out a little more strength and help through the clear out period into PCT.

    When you say “hard on the liver” besides mid-cycle bloods for the liver enzyme values, is there any physical symptoms to watch out for? Maybe lethargy or lack of apetite?

    Thanks again for your time and knowledge
    J

  • [quote=“jaacyn71” pid=‘65250’ dateline=‘1565998925’]
    [quote=“thallandchill” pid=‘65249’ dateline=‘1565996934’]
    [quote=“jaacyn71” pid=‘65247’ dateline=‘1565994321’]
    [quote=“thallandchill” pid=‘65246’ dateline=‘1565993597’]
    [quote=“jaacyn71” pid=‘65243’ dateline=‘1565992957’]
    Hey Guys,

    I am finalizing a bulk for myself and a buddy and wanted to get some input from you guys on how much Test E would provide the best bulk without having to deal too much with crazy aromatization or side effects. I know everyone is a little different so I am looking for personal experiences to help guide me.

    After Spartapharma had a sale a few months back, we have enough Test E to go up to 1 gram a week for the 12 weeks planned, so that is the absolute upper limit, ;)

    I am mid - 40s, 5’6", 170-175 lbs training 5 days per week bro splits at a bodyfat between 12-15%.

    I don’t want to make this post too long winded but the bulk will be:

    Test E - 750 mg/week is what I am planning but asking opinions on
    Anadrol kickstart - 6 weeks 50 mg/day
    Anavar finish - 6 weeks 50 mg/day
    Cialis - 5mg/day
    (Asin, Nolvadex on hand)

    Any feedback is welcome, I want to know I am going into this as well planned and thought out as I can. If you want more info. I have everything, I just didn’t want to write a novel.

    Thanks for reading!
    [/quote]

    Hey man! I guess I’ll just start off with a question before I can give any input, is this your first cycle?
    [/quote]

    This will be my 3rd cycle ever (last two were a long time ago, late twenties, early 30s, oral only dbol first cycle, then a test C only 2nd cycle) Some sarms in the last couple of years.
    [/quote]

    Oral only huh? What about your buddy? He have any past cycles under his belt?

    Sorry I’m just trying to get more information. One thing I’ll go ahead and point out is that I wouldnt run am oral all 12 weeks, and I wouldn’t run Anadrol longer than 4 for your first time with it. It’s pretty hard on your liver. Anavar isnt as hard on your liver but will trash your lipids. Choose one or the other imo. Anadrol will do more for a bulk than anavar will in my experience.
    [/quote]

    No problem, thanks for the replies. It has been a while and I am not sure how my body will respond being older, which is why I am asking. My buddy has the same cycle experience, but he has been a lazy ass for the past decade or so, just recently joining me in the gym, so it is going to be up to me to make sure he stays as healthy as possible and doesn’t trash joints, tendons and ligaments, im not sure how ready for moving heavier weights he is.

    Yea, the oral only, I can only plead ignorance, it was before the internet and knowledge became so widely available. It was word of mouth from my “guy” which usually meant whatever he had available was the best thing since sliced bread.

    Here is the plan in a better format so you can maybe get a gist of what I was thinking and help me fine tune it.

    1-12 Test E 750mg/week (M/Th or Su/W)
    1 - 6 Anadrol 50mg/day (GET BIG and STRONG)
    3 - 12 Aromasin 12 mg (24-48 hours post each injection, adjust up/down as necessary)
    9 -14 Anavar 50 mg/day (Clean up the gains a bit)
    15-18 - PCT (Have clomid, nolva)
    (Dbol to be substituted in if one or both of us respond poorly to Anadrol)
    5 mg cialis throughout

    I will take your advice to heart and see how I am feeling at the 4 week mark for anadrol and dropping the anavar is no problem, it was mostly to maybe eke out a little more strength and help through the clear out period into PCT.

    When you say “hard on the liver” besides mid-cycle bloods for the liver enzyme values, is there any physical symptoms to watch out for? Maybe lethargy or lack of apetite?

    Thanks again for your time and knowledge
    J
    [/quote]

    Hey man, no problem. I just don’t want to see people hurt themselves so I try to help whenever I can. I’m not going to lie, your buddy doesn’t sound ready for a cycle if he’s just now getting back into lifting and shit but I know people are going to do whatever they’re gonna do.

    Anyway, side effects to look out for as far as liver toxicity go are yes, lethargy, loss of appetite but you can go so far as to get jaundice, pissing super dark, your shits will be fucked up etc. I would run some liver protection like TUDCA with anadrol.

    Also, I wouldn’t run an AI preemptively. I’d wait until you start getting high estro sides. You definitely do not want to crash your estrogen. You don’t have any idea how much you’re gonna aromatize at this point.

    Personally man, for your first cycle in a long time I’d run the following:

    Weeks 1-12 Test E - 500mg

    If you’re dead set on Anadrol, you can run it as a kickstarter or finisher, so choose the back half or front half of the cycle.

    Drop the var and wait until you actually are planning to go on a cut.

    I would keep it nice and simple for now, and then for your next few cycles start adding things. It sounds to me like you’re trying to do too much just getting back into it. I know that’s probably not the answer you’re looking for or wanting but I’m just being honest.
    [hr]
    Also, watch your RBC/Hcrit during your cycle if you use Anadrol as it likes to raise it and you’re blood will be pudding before you know it.

  • [quote=“thallandchill” pid=‘65261’ dateline=‘1566005124’]
    [quote=“jaacyn71” pid=‘65250’ dateline=‘1565998925’]
    [quote=“thallandchill” pid=‘65249’ dateline=‘1565996934’]
    [quote=“jaacyn71” pid=‘65247’ dateline=‘1565994321’]
    [quote=“thallandchill” pid=‘65246’ dateline=‘1565993597’]

    Hey man! I guess I’ll just start off with a question before I can give any input, is this your first cycle?
    [/quote]

    This will be my 3rd cycle ever (last two were a long time ago, late twenties, early 30s, oral only dbol first cycle, then a test C only 2nd cycle) Some sarms in the last couple of years.
    [/quote]

    Oral only huh? What about your buddy? He have any past cycles under his belt?

    Sorry I’m just trying to get more information. One thing I’ll go ahead and point out is that I wouldnt run am oral all 12 weeks, and I wouldn’t run Anadrol longer than 4 for your first time with it. It’s pretty hard on your liver. Anavar isnt as hard on your liver but will trash your lipids. Choose one or the other imo. Anadrol will do more for a bulk than anavar will in my experience.
    [/quote]

    No problem, thanks for the replies. It has been a while and I am not sure how my body will respond being older, which is why I am asking. My buddy has the same cycle experience, but he has been a lazy ass for the past decade or so, just recently joining me in the gym, so it is going to be up to me to make sure he stays as healthy as possible and doesn’t trash joints, tendons and ligaments, im not sure how ready for moving heavier weights he is.

    Yea, the oral only, I can only plead ignorance, it was before the internet and knowledge became so widely available. It was word of mouth from my “guy” which usually meant whatever he had available was the best thing since sliced bread.

    Here is the plan in a better format so you can maybe get a gist of what I was thinking and help me fine tune it.

    1-12 Test E 750mg/week (M/Th or Su/W)
    1 - 6 Anadrol 50mg/day (GET BIG and STRONG)
    3 - 12 Aromasin 12 mg (24-48 hours post each injection, adjust up/down as necessary)
    9 -14 Anavar 50 mg/day (Clean up the gains a bit)
    15-18 - PCT (Have clomid, nolva)
    (Dbol to be substituted in if one or both of us respond poorly to Anadrol)
    5 mg cialis throughout

    I will take your advice to heart and see how I am feeling at the 4 week mark for anadrol and dropping the anavar is no problem, it was mostly to maybe eke out a little more strength and help through the clear out period into PCT.

    When you say “hard on the liver” besides mid-cycle bloods for the liver enzyme values, is there any physical symptoms to watch out for? Maybe lethargy or lack of apetite?

    Thanks again for your time and knowledge
    J
    [/quote]

    Hey man, no problem. I just don’t want to see people hurt themselves so I try to help whenever I can. I’m not going to lie, your buddy doesn’t sound ready for a cycle if he’s just now getting back into lifting and shit but I know people are going to do whatever they’re gonna do.

    Anyway, side effects to look out for as far as liver toxicity go are yes, lethargy, loss of appetite but you can go so far as to get jaundice, pissing super dark, your shits will be fucked up etc. I would run some liver protection like TUDCA with anadrol.

    Also, I wouldn’t run an AI preemptively. I’d wait until you start getting high estro sides. You definitely do not want to crash your estrogen. You don’t have any idea how much you’re gonna aromatize at this point.

    Personally man, for your first cycle in a long time I’d run the following:

    Weeks 1-12 Test E - 500mg

    If you’re dead set on Anadrol, you can run it as a kickstarter or finisher, so choose the back half or front half of the cycle.

    Drop the var and wait until you actually are planning to go on a cut.

    I would keep it nice and simple for now, and then for your next few cycles start adding things. It sounds to me like you’re trying to do too much just getting back into it. I know that’s probably not the answer you’re looking for or wanting but I’m just being honest.
    [hr]
    Also, watch your RBC/Hcrit during your cycle if you use Anadrol as it likes to raise it and you’re blood will be pudding before you know it.
    [/quote]

    Thanks for the feedback! Being older now, you would think that I would be more patient, but having this stuff in hand makes it hard not to want to use it. I have some thinking to do.

  • Just came in to say anadrol’s liver toxicity is overrated, especially at 50mg.

    You’ll know your liver is stressed long before you get jaundice lol. If you’re very lethargic and appetite is non existent (not diminished, anadrol will do that), then it’s time to drop the anadrol. Could be at 4 weeks in, could be after 3 months. Really depends on genetics and how resilient your organs/liver is.

    Use aromasin in an as needed basis. Take a tab when you see signs of high estrogen, like more acne, oily skin, water retention, etc.

    Can use anavar at the tail end of cycle as planned to add some hardness and see what you’ve built over the last two months. Anavar can mess with lipids but it’s very mild, especially at 50mg. Any lower and you won’t notice a thing from it as a guy.

    Take away point here is listen to your body. If you feel off or get too many sides that wreck your quality of life, lower the dose. That said you’re doses are pretty low already so I wouldn’t really think you have much to worry about. Your biggest worry would be anadrol and liver health, but only if you’re an alcoholic on top of 50mg a day of anadrol.

  • [quote=“BFK” pid=‘65322’ dateline=‘1566070275’]
    Just came in to say anadrol’s liver toxicity is overrated, especially at 50mg.

    You’ll know your liver is stressed long before you get jaundice lol. If you’re very lethargic and appetite is non existent (not diminished, anadrol will do that), then it’s time to drop the anadrol. Could be at 4 weeks in, could be after 3 months. Really depends on genetics and how resilient your organs/liver is.

    Use aromasin in an as needed basis. Take a tab when you see signs of high estrogen, like more acne, oily skin, water retention, etc.

    Can use anavar at the tail end of cycle as planned to add some hardness and see what you’ve built over the last two months. Anavar can mess with lipids but it’s very mild, especially at 50mg. Any lower and you won’t notice a thing from it as a guy.

    Take away point here is listen to your body. If you feel off or get too many sides that wreck your quality of life, lower the dose. That said you’re doses are pretty low already so I wouldn’t really think you have much to worry about. Your biggest worry would be anadrol and liver health, but only if you’re an alcoholic on top of 50mg a day of anadrol.
    [/quote]

    Thanks BFK! I appreciate the feedback. Question if you see this: Will anavar at 50mg be effective as a hardener or should I look at upping the dose at to what range if it is more effective at higher doses?

    Thanks again!

    J

  • Anavar is really awesome at 50mg. Especially if you are running all that other stuff.

  • [quote=“nlite2k” pid=‘65417’ dateline=‘1566148953’]
    Anavar is really awesome at 50mg. Especially if you are running all that other stuff.
    [/quote]

    Thanks man, 50 mg it is! Excited to try and get to 200+ lbs sometime next year and this first bulk hopefully will be the majority of it.

  • 12 weeks straight is a long time to run orals, anadrol’s sides can be very nasty, I really can’t take the stuff and I have no problem running mtren and superdrol, anavar is mild in noticeable side effects but wrecks lipids. I would do anadrol for 4-6 weeks or anavar for 6 weeks but not both. 500mg of test should be plenty as well I know it’s tempting to run a lot of shit, but unless your diet training and sleep are perfect you’ll be wasting that extra gear and putting up with extra side effects for no reason. Even with perfect diet, training and sleep the less is more philosophy will pay off your progress in the long run.

  • [quote=“Giantnerd11” pid=‘65426’ dateline=‘1566160079’]
    12 weeks straight is a long time to run orals, anadrol’s sides can be very nasty, I really can’t take the stuff and I have no problem running mtren and superdrol, anavar is mild in noticeable side effects but wrecks lipids. I would do anadrol for 4-6 weeks or anavar for 6 weeks but not both. 500mg of test should be plenty as well I know it’s tempting to run a lot of shit, but unless your diet training and sleep are perfect you’ll be wasting that extra gear and putting up with extra side effects for no reason. Even with perfect diet, training and sleep the less is more philosophy will pay off your progress in the long run.
    [/quote]

    Goddamn, I was waiting for someone else to be the voice of reason with me haha.

  • Hey Guys,

    Thanks for the replies, even if you think your banging your head up against the wall talking to me. I am taking it to heart while battling the innate desire to do as much stuff as I have.

    J

  • [quote=“jaacyn71” pid=‘65415’ dateline=‘1566146544’]
    [quote=“BFK” pid=‘65322’ dateline=‘1566070275’]
    Just came in to say anadrol’s liver toxicity is overrated, especially at 50mg.

    You’ll know your liver is stressed long before you get jaundice lol. If you’re very lethargic and appetite is non existent (not diminished, anadrol will do that), then it’s time to drop the anadrol. Could be at 4 weeks in, could be after 3 months. Really depends on genetics and how resilient your organs/liver is.

    Use aromasin in an as needed basis. Take a tab when you see signs of high estrogen, like more acne, oily skin, water retention, etc.

    Can use anavar at the tail end of cycle as planned to add some hardness and see what you’ve built over the last two months. Anavar can mess with lipids but it’s very mild, especially at 50mg. Any lower and you won’t notice a thing from it as a guy.

    Take away point here is listen to your body. If you feel off or get too many sides that wreck your quality of life, lower the dose. That said you’re doses are pretty low already so I wouldn’t really think you have much to worry about. Your biggest worry would be anadrol and liver health, but only if you’re an alcoholic on top of 50mg a day of anadrol.
    [/quote]

    Thanks BFK! I appreciate the feedback. Question if you see this: Will anavar at 50mg be effective as a hardener or should I look at upping the dose at to what range if it is more effective at higher doses?

    Thanks again!

    J
    [/quote]

    50mg is an effective dose for anavar but a bit underwhelming if you ask me. Most guys use it at 100mg. Personally, I like the minimum effective dose, rather where you reap benefits but don’t have any side effects. 50mg will treat you well but try 100mg and evaluate from there as far as money spent and side effects, not that anavar has many side effects, besides it’s effect on lipids and maybe painful pumps.

    If you like what 50mg is doing stick with it, if you (and your wallet) can handle 100mg anavar and like it that much more then by all means. A lot of response is genetics, like someone else mentioned they don’t handle anadrol well yet can handle arguably harsher drugs like mtren and superdrol just fine. Personally 20mg of superdrol I can handle for about 3 weeks before the lethargy gets awful and I can barely eat, yet I can take 100-150mg of anadrol and lose my desire to eat but still eat if it tastes good.

  • Thanks for the info. BFK.

    J

  • why not just do the basic beginning blast of Test E 500mg a week? Just because it’s simple doesn’t mean it’s ineffective. One could argue over a long period of time this will be your most effective cycle because you’re laying a solid basis for future cycles. 500mg of test a week you’ll see great results and you won’t have to worry about determining if the sides you’re experiencing are from anadrol or from anavar or from extra test. at that dose it would be likely your test levels will be 2.5 to 3x greater than the top end of “normal” test levels for males. How successful this blast will be largely depends on how hard (and smartly) you train, proper nutrition and your recovery, including sleep not from huge quantities of aas. Adding additional orals aren’t gonna make or break you. I’ve run more than one cycle. My next blast this winter is going to be Test E at 500mg a week. I’ll make great gains. Everything else I’d add begins to delve into territory of diminishing returns for me. I’m in my 40’s, only 5’7 and right around 200lbs with abs. For me, I can run that cycle and I know my bloodwork will bounce back quickly/not stray from normal allowing me to cycle more frequently. I’ve run tren before and an oral or two and they all thrash my lipids which is more of a concern for me at 40ish than it would be if I was 20ish.

  • Whats the cialis for? I dont think you’ll need it on a gram of test lol.

  • [quote=“Riskrunner” pid=‘65975’ dateline=‘1566517001’]
    Whats the cialis for? I dont think you’ll need it on a gram of test lol.
    [/quote]

    Probably bp management at that dose.

  • I just want to say I appreciate the feedback. I was dead set on something before I posted this and maybe I should have left it there, because I wouldn’t be waffling back and forth all week trying to finalize this. Mid 40s and part of me wants to say F’ it, YOLO, and go for broke, and part of me is the older wiser self saying to be conservative because you can always add in later on down the line.

    My current mindset, and feel free to offer feedback, blast it, call me a dumbass, whatever. I believe the discussion is helping me learn so it is all valuable to me.

    1-12 Test E - 600 per week, divided dose (300 mg/ml vials so 1 cc twice a week)
    1-6 Anadrol Kickstart - 50 mg/day
    Mid cycle liver values and bloodwork
    And the Cialis for help with BP management like Thall mentioned

    Anavar I am probably going to save for a future cut or cycle.

    Tudca, Nac for liver support, although I have no idea what dosages are usual for 50mg Anadrol dose, so if anyone wants to ballpark me some numbers I would appreciate it.

    Finally, Nolva and Aromasin on hand for estrogen symptom management, if needed.

    J

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